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tariel22
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From: (Anonymous) Date: April 22nd, 2010 05:47 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: From MJ

I should have specified that I was replying to the posts above talking about Lois' screentime and not to you, Tariel. I apologize if I wasn't more clear.
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: April 22nd, 2010 10:12 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: From MJ

I got that, but I hope you don't mind if I respond anyway. :)

For me, it's not a matter of comparing Lois to Chloe or Oliver, it's comparing Clark to Clark. When I watch an episode, and find myself wondering what Clark is thinking, feeling, or doing, it doesn't matter if the person the episode is focusing on instead is Lois, Martha, or the bartender at the Wild Coyote, I'm still going to feel like something is missing. And as much as I love Lois, and Clark and Lois together, I did get that feeling at the beginning of this season.

The other thing I think the early episodes of this season had in common was that they revolved around romance. Don't get me wrong, I loved those episodes, but the relentless focus on Clark's relationship with Lois, and the progression of their romance, especially from Lois's POV, made me wonder what happened to the story I signed up for: Clark's journey to become the Man of Steel. I'm cool with Clark falling in love with Lois before that journey is complete, even though that's something that is unique to Smallville, but I don't want her holding his hand every second as he finds his way.

One of my biggest problems with Pandora was the suggestion that without Lois, Clark would not become the hero he is destined to be. That made me furious! In every other incarnation of his story, Clark becomes Superman before he meets Lois, and presumably, sadly, there will come a day when he will have to continue without her. Of course I would expect Clark to be devastated by losing Lois, and to grieve, but I would also expect him to carry on, because that's the man he is. Lois doesn't make Clark Superman, she makes him a BETTER Superman.

I like the balance the show has found with Lois and Clark in recent episodes. We see the romance, sexy and funny, but we also see them working as reporters, and saving the world, separately and together. But now, as you say, Chloe and Oliver seem to demand equal time.

Lack of relevance to Clark's story is the number one reason why I couldn't care less about the romance between Chloe and Oliver. Similarly, I have limited interest in Oliver's struggles with his dark side, or Chloe's schemes to snap him out of it. I do think it's relevant to Clark when Chloe is plotting behind his back, but I'm certainly not happy when she's validated for it.

I had hoped that the Chlollie romance would be used to show Oliver in conflict, his loyalties torn between Chloe and Clark, with the result that he would chose Clark, and perhaps convince Chloe to see the error of her ways and do the same. But obviously that's not what the writers had in mind at all.

Finally, my concern over Lois's screen time never began to approach anger, and I know that's true for tasabian as well. I'm sure you were responding to sentiments against Lois you've encountered in fandom at large, but I just wanted to make that clear.
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 22nd, 2010 10:51 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: From MJ

I never thought you were angry so no worries. :)

I still maintain that a focus on Lois and in some instances, Clark and Lois, is more closely connected and important to a Superman story than a story about Chloe and her romance with the Green Arrow. (And I think from what I can tell you agree with that.)

I apologize if I wasn't more clear. My point was that I just don't think that you can compare a Lois/Clois heavy first half of the season with the shifted focus on Chloe now. They are not the same thing. And some fans out there (not you specifically) have done just that. One is directly related to Clark and the overall Superman story and one is not. In my opinion, the Lois heavy stuff is way way more acceptable due to Lois' overall importance in Clark's future in the larger Superman canon. I ABSOLUTELY agree that the writers have screwed up with not giving us more of Clark's point of view. But I have no problem with that relationship getting a ton of focus from time to time just as it has in every other medium of the Superman story. In general, when you are talking about supporting characters in the Superman story...it's Lois...and then everyone else. Lex is in there too as the close 3rd. The other supporting characters are lower in importance though. And yes, I know that Smallville is a prequel...but enough changes have been made at this point that I consider it an AU Superman story so in my mind, the "rules" of Superman apply. (Not sure if that makes sense. LOL)
In general, Smallville has established that Clark is encountering many super "milestones" earlier in his life than he does in the comics canon.

There are tons of comic books out there that focus heavily on their relationship....so what Smallville chose to do this year in the first half of the season is really nothing new. Some of the most touching moments in the Superman comics are told, in my opinion, from Lois' point of view. The Death of Superman is a classic example of that. Part of what made Clark's death so powerful was seeing it through Lois' eyes. Then I think about the issues where Lois is the one who narrates and tells the audience how difficult it is to watch him fight and struggle and how touched she is by his compassion. Many times, it's her voice that is laced across the pages as he's fighting. Recently, of course, the comics have shown Lois quitting the Daily Planet in order to fight back against her father. Again, the comic showed Lois' words and point of view as she reminded the world of the hope and peace that Superman had brought to everyone he encountered.

You know....I never got the sense in Pandora that Clark couldn't be a hero. Yes, he was beaten down and sad but I still felt like he was a hero. He had resisted giving in to Zod's regime and continued to stand against them. What really bothered me the most about that episode wasn't his grief over Lois. Again, that whole idea that Clark was "dead" without her wasn't new. That was borrowed from a few different comic stories and the Superman Animated series "Brave New Metropolis" where Clark is overcome with his grief and realizes what she meant to him too late. I was intrigued by the fact that the humans were at the Kent farm. In my land of fanwanking, I imagined that Clark had tried to provide a safe harbor for people at the farm and the Kandorians had taken it over. I wanted to hear something like that in the episode. But what really bothered me was the idea that he had turned his back on Chloe and Oliver and it was somehow "his" fault with no mention whatsoever of Oliver stabbing him in the back in Doomsday or Chloe running off with Davis. That whole thing should have been addressed in Pandora and it wasn't. Had they addressed the whole thing with Chloe and Oliver I might have been happier about the entire scenerio.

I also had hoped that the Chollie romance was going to be used as a way to make Oliver choose between Chloe and Clark. When we saw him hide the weapons in "Conspiracy" I really thought that was leading somewhere. At this point, I have no interest in their romance because, as you'e said, it has nothing to do with Clark.

Anyway, I hope I clarified my point a little better. Thanks again for chatting!
jeannev From: jeannev Date: April 23rd, 2010 12:58 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: To MJ

Again, the comic showed Lois' words and point of view as she reminded the world of the hope and peace that Superman had brought to everyone he encountered.

And I see how that could work for the comics.

I just don't think it works so well for SV, where we shouldn't need to see Clark through a third characters eyes. As the audience, and with Clark as our main character, we should be seeing his world through his eyes.

And quite frankly, I have a hard time seeing "Superman" through Lois' eyes when the show didn't really invest the time into that storyline. Lois' fascination with The Blur came along very, very quickly. And without that face-to-face connection from the comics, just the occasional phone call didn't really do it for me, but mileage varies.

I have no issues with Lois' importance in the comics, or her gaining in importance on SV. But I don't think that it should usurpe Clark's importance, and I don't think the story should be told through her eyes, and I don't really think we need any 3rd party character to provide a bridge between viewers and the main protagonist.

I do think they went a bit overboard with the Lois focus in the early part of this season (and not always to Clark's benefit), and I think the reason they did that is because they know they wasted way too much time not developing as much as they should've in the years she's been on the show. So, they slammed on the gas pedal a bit too hard for me. I have enjoyed a lot about the character, and if it is a choice between Lois focus, and Chloe focus, I'll take Lois focus, please.

But really, I want Clark focus. And when I say that, I don't just mean focus on his romantic relationship. As I've said, several times this season, take away Clark involved with Clois, and how much storyline has he had? I don't think thats as big a problem for Lois, because she's a supporting character, and the show isn't about her. But Clark should have story all over the canvas, with all the supporting characters. And I really feel like they dropped the ball there, because they really wanted to sell Clois as this love of a lifetime. But they should've started laying that foundation a few years ago, I think.

Just wanted to add my 2 cents. :)
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