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Smallville 9x16 - Escape
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tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: April 13th, 2010 03:53 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: New Poster. :)

Oh, MJ! I totally know who you are! I agree with you A LOT! Especially about Chloe. :) Thanks again for your very kind words. I have to admit I couldn't take the criticism when my reviews were posted on the SHoE site. My viewpoint didn't seem to mesh well with the SHoEligans. ;) I'm much happier in my little LJ world.

Obviously there are all kinds of fans of the Clois relationship, and I can understand not caring for the shipper label, and all the preconceived notions that come with it. My own personal idea of a shipper is someone whose enjoyment of the show hinges on what's going on with their couple, and who puts the development of the romance above any other element of the story. I know a lot of the people on my flist who identify themselves as Clois shippers are big Lois fans. Some of them didn't even watch Checkmate because Lois wasn't in it.

I think the writers have had a hard time with Clark and Lois as a couple because of the uncertainty of renewal with this show. They know what they want the end game to be, and when they thought S8 might be the last, they accelerated a lot of things, like Clark's career at the DP and his relationship with Lois, and I thought the first 10 episodes of that season were the best I had ever seen on this show. Strong, proactive Clark, lots of funny, flirty banter, and a real shift in the focus of the story to Metropolis, journalism, and Clark embracing his destiny. What wasn't to love? And then Tom signed on for two more years, the momentum of the season was derailed by Lana's return, and the show had to slam on the brakes as they contemplated their long-term plans. In many ways I love this season even more, but I think we're seeing some of the same timing hiccups.

I remember well what Mairzee Almas said in that Disciple podcast, and I appreciate that her style has always been to sort of stand back and let the actors do their thing, stepping in with direction when it's needed, but trusting in them to know their characters. I loved the scenes between Clark and Lois in Disciple! The chemistry was off the charts! It's funny, I totally read Clark's invitation to Lois to come back to the farm as a sexual one, but so many people told me that I was dead wrong, I started to second guess myself. But now, after Escape, I think more than ever that I was right. How Lois was strong enough to turn him down, I'll never know! :D

I'm so glad you decide to comment here. I've really enjoyed discussing the show with you!
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 13th, 2010 06:53 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: New Poster. :)

I wondered why I wasn't seeing you on SHoE this year! I totally understand though. Honestly, I think sometimes people just need to understand that there are many different kinds of fans of this show and that many different perspectives are valid. The biggest problem in Smallville fandom is that many people assume that the reason that THEY watch the show is more important (or better) than the reason that others do. People who watch only for the relationships fail to recognize that many fans out there just aren't as interested as they are and that the relationships can only be PART of the story but can't be the whole story. But on the other side of the coin, fans who watch soley for the action or watch only to see Clark fight villians aren't really being fair when they label the lighter episodes as being a waste of time or "shipperfests." In my opinion, if a scene adds anything to Clark's growth or character then it's worthwhile. But at the end of the day, it's just weird to me that so many people out there assume that their view on the show just HAS to be the right one. All opinions are valid so long as they are presented in a constructive and reasonable manner. (Which obviously excludes senseless bashing or distorting the actual show canon to suit your own agenda---which as you well know, many fans do.) That's actually my biggest pet peeve--when any fan or reviewer makes a general statement without backing it up with the actual show canon or twisting the accuracy of the canon.

You weren't the only one who read the scene in Disciple as sexual. I did too and I don't think you were dead wrong. I don't think he was asking for sex per se. (That would have been a little fast for Clark.) I just kind of thought he was hoping to make out and maybe get to second base or something. LOL. Basically I thought that "I could show you Clark KEnt's tour of the galaxy" was his way of saying, "Come back to the farm and let me feel you up for a little while." LOL. And then he kissed her mid-sentence after that as if to make his point. So don't second guess yourself. I think you were right. He's Clark. It's not like he would have pressured her or anything if she wasn't ready which was why he didn't push it after she said no.

As for the shipper thing...yeah, I don't get that. I'm a fan of Smallville. I love Lois. She is my second favorite person on the show AFTER Clark. But at the end of the day this is Clark's show. Lois is the second most important person in the Superman story....but it's HIS story. I would never miss an episode as long as it had CLARK in it. Most of the Clois fans I know and associate with on the web would never not watch an episode because of lack of Lois. They love Clark too much.

I am interested in hearing your thoughts on Checkmate. My initial reaction to the episode was pretty close to rage due to Clark's low screentime and a few other things that upset me about his scenes in general. But the more I reflected on it the more my opinion changed completely. Now, I feel like I have a totally different opinion on everything Clark related from the episode and I can appreciate the episode in a whole new way.

Great chatting with you. Hope to talk to you again soon. :)


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