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Do you want to see another season of Smallville?
At the TCAs today, CW president Dawn Ostroff talked about Smallville's chances of being renewed for a 10th season. Basically she said things are looking good, but they're not guaranteed. But the way she said it drives me crazy.

From The Ausiello Files:

Exclusive: 'Smallville' season 10 a done deal?
by Michael Ausiello

Not quite, but CW president Dawn Ostroff tells me she is feeling very optimistic about the show’s renewal odds.

“I’m really pleased with the show,” she says. “Creatively, I think they’ve done a great job. And the ratings are [strong] on Friday night. I have to commend [the producers]… It’s not easy in season 9 to keep a show fresh. And you know what I think? The fans have really liked the show this season.

“I don’t know which way we’ll go,” she continues, “but if you would’ve asked me [over the summer whether it would end this season] I would’ve said, ‘Oh, probably.’ But I can’t say that now.”

In the meantime, Ostroff says Smallville producers Brian Peterson and Kelly Souders “haven’t even pitched us the last episodes yet, so we haven’t even gotten to how we’re going to deal with the last episode and whether it’s a season finale or series finale. But right now, I think it’s just a season finale.”


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From IGN:

Will Smallville Return for Season 10?
The CW's president updates us on the show's current status.

by Eric Goldman

January 9, 2010 - When Smallville was moved to Friday nights, many fans assumed that was a definite sign the show was going into its final season. However, the show has held its own on that typically difficult night, and went up in the ratings as the season progressed. Comments by the executive producers have hinted there is a very good chance now the show will return.

At the TCA (Television Critics Association) press tour tonight, I spoke one-on-one with Dawn Ostroff, the President of Entertainment of The CW Television, and asked her for a status update on Smallville. We also spoke about the upcoming "Absolute Justice", which will introduce the Justice Society to Samlvlille. In what could be seen as another positive sign, "Absolute Justice" went from two separate episodes to being paired together as a larger TV-movie event.

IGN TV: What is the status of Smallville now, as far as another season?

Dawn Ostroff:
I think creatively, we've been happy with the show. And it's gotten to the point where Friday nights have improved for us, so it looks good. But we don't know, because it's really too early. It's January and we don't have to make these decisions until May. But it's increased our adult 18-34 and it certainly has increased our men 18-34 on Friday nights. Creatively, I think it's been in a good place. I think Tom [Welling]'s still having a good time with it. I think he's enthusiastic about it. So, we'll see where we are a few months from now.

IGN: How did the decision come about to turn the two Justice Society episodes into a single night event?

Ostroff:
We really wanted to give Smallville an eventized night, so we could really bring attention to it. We try and do it for all the shows, depending on where they are in the cycle of the storytelling. And it just kind of came together. Kevin Levy, who works for us in scheduling and is a real Smallville fan, came up with the idea and said, "Look, this is going to be two big episodes. I think Smallville fans will make it appointment viewing. They won't want to miss it if we put these episodes together," and that's how it all came up. And I think he was right about that.

IGN: As far as making the decision on a renewal, when the writers go toward the season finale, creatively, how much will they want to leave the window open?

Ostroff:
I think it's definitely the big question. Clearly, we're going to have a great season finale, as we would for any year, and whether or not it will be a show finale, we don't know yet. We haven't really talked about it, because they're not that far along yet in the storylines, but I think it will be a good season finale for sure. And if the show doesn't come back, I think it will be a sort of really last minute decision, because either development [for new series] was great or the show wasn't doing as well on Friday nights. But we still have a whole half a season to go before we have to determine that.


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And to put the time line in perspective, the Smallville writers posted this on Twitter last week:



My thoughts:

I get that a television network is a business, and that these decisions are dollar-driven, but the complete lack of regard for the long-time fans of this show is disheartening nonetheless. After all these seasons, what I want more than anything else is a satisfying conclusion to Clark's story, an arc (not an episode or two at the end) that focuses on Clark and his journey, from Clark's POV, and that shows us how and why he chooses to become Superman. Clearly we're not getting that in S9. I think we could see it next season, if Tom puts his foot down and tells TPTB right from the start that S10 is his last, but whether or not we'll even have that chance hinges on if DO thinks she has something new and shiny waiting in the wings, and she's reserving the right to wait until the last possible moment to make that decision.

As much as I love seeing Tom Welling on my TV screen each week (and you know I do), the bigger reason I'm hoping hard for S10 is for the story, and the ending this show has both built toward and stalled against for years. Without it I'm afraid I will be left forever wanting, and totally disappointed as a loyal fan of the show. I know some of you already feel that way, betrayed by what did or didn't happen with Lex, or Chloe, or Clark himself, but I still love this show, I still watch, and I'm still waiting for the payoff I think we all deserve. I know it's unrealistic of me, but I wish television networks could take other factors besides ratings and revenues into consideration when making a decision about renewal. Or in Smallville's case, at least when setting a deadline for that decision. Reading what DO said today, I am struck anew by the irony of how our access to creative expression is so often dictated by the cold and calculating crunching of numbers.

So what do you think? Do you want to see Smallville get another season? Why or why not? Do you think I'm crazy to hope we might ever get a happy and uplifting ending to Clark's story, and finally see what leads him to fully embrace his destiny? If you watch the show for Tom, as I do, do you hope for cancellation so he will move on, even if it means he disappears behind the camera, or would you rather hedge your bets and have at least one more year to enjoy his acting? And is anyone else as frustrated over this as I am?

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simplytoopretty From: simplytoopretty Date: January 10th, 2010 05:48 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't watch anymore, so my thoughts are rather biased, but I'd like to see this be the final season of Smallville. I think the show has grown past its original concept. Another season would just drag on what should have been concluded in the past, and would, I suppose, have Clark continually get close to embracing his destiny but never quite getting there because the show is "Smallville" and not "Superman."

Of course, on the other hand, I know people still enjoy watching the show, and if it gives a person joy, then it isn't all bad.

And it'd be interesting to see what TW does after Smallville.
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 10th, 2010 06:09 am (UTC) (Link)
Sometimes I think it's the fact that I was a Superman fan before I was a Smallville fan that makes me want to see that transition so badly. I don't want to see Clark in the suit or anything like that, but I want to see how he gets there. I agree that Smallville has outgrown its original concept, but I'm still enjoying what it has become. OTOH, if Tom had ever said he intends to continue acting after Smallville, especially on the big screen, I would be perfectly content to say goodbye to this show. But I'd still want them to wrap it up properly before they go.

In any case, I'm glad to hear your thoughts on the matter. Thanks for your comment!
gildinwen From: gildinwen Date: January 10th, 2010 06:16 am (UTC) (Link)
I think i'm going to put a responce on my lj if you don't mind? Otherwise I'll leave a long ass comment which you'd probably get eye-strain from trying to read :)
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 10th, 2010 06:18 am (UTC) (Link)
I look forward to reading it!
starry_dawn From: starry_dawn Date: January 10th, 2010 06:39 am (UTC) (Link)
Wow, that last paragraph of DO's interview with IGN is kinda appalling. They're going to do a season finale, but they're not REALLY sure if they'll get picked up for S10, so if they don't, the fans can just treat it as a series finale? What the hell? We've seen this story develop for 9 years now, and like you, I think we deserve a real and proper series finale. That's why I'm hoping for S10 now, even though part of me dreads having to go through another season of dragging Clark through the mud and another part dreads not having Chloe around anymore (I can't help but love her!), because I want to see the ending I know we deserve to have. I want to see Clark become Superman and take flight. End of story. I think it's possible if they go in with the right mindset, but with these people, you never know. Next thing, they'll be talking about a Season 11. *shudders*
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 10th, 2010 07:08 am (UTC) (Link)
Wow, that last paragraph of DO's interview with IGN is kinda appalling.

Yeah, it was that last answer to IGN that set me off. She's so completely dispassionate, and the way she suggests they can easily turn the season finale into a series finale with a last minute decision not to renew is an insult to the show, and its fans. We all deserve better.

Next thing, they'll be talking about a Season 11. *shudders*

Oh, I completely expect that from Brian and Kelly! That's why I think it's up to Tom to put a stop to the madness, if the show does in fact get renewed.
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tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 10th, 2010 07:27 am (UTC) (Link)
I understand being frustrated with the show, believe me. Remember how Tom said in his Comic-Con interview that he wouldn't sign on for S9 until he knew what he was getting into? I think a lot of us have felt a similar wariness. If they get renewed, instead of trying to keep everything a big secret, they should tell us what the final season will bring us. That would go a lot further to get me pumped for S10 than trying to have faith in TPTB to do right by Clark.

I'm sorry Smallville has let you down. That's always hard, but especially so when it happens with a show you love.
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tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 10th, 2010 10:06 am (UTC) (Link)
I'll admit, I just like the idea of ten years better than nine, too. :) I think a decade of Smallville would be cool, especially if they acknowledge from the start that the 10th season will be the last. That way everyone is prepared for the end. The writers can give all the characters a worthy send-off, the actors can pursue other projects, the crew can line up new jobs before they're left unemployed, and the fans can reconcile themselves to the imminent void in their lives. Besides, anyone who reads my journal knows of my inordinate fondness for the number 10. :)

And I completely agree that S10 should be the last.

The worst possible scenario would be if they didn't decide whether or not to renew the show until after the finale was filmed. But if they wait until May, as she suggests they could above, that would be the case. And that has certainly happened with other shows I've watched in the past.
jlvsclrk From: jlvsclrk Date: January 10th, 2010 08:26 am (UTC) (Link)
Her comment really is kinda appalling. How are shows supposed to plan their season ender if it might very well turn into a series ender months after the episode has been written and weeks after its been filmed. It makes absolutely no sense, not even from a business POV. Bah.

I would like to see S10 for the reason you mentioned - I want a solid Clark-centric season focused on the final transition to Superman. I just don't see the current story line natuarally leading that way.
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 10th, 2010 10:35 am (UTC) (Link)
I feel like the renewal question hangs over the writers' heads and definitely colors how the storylines develop. I guess for Smallville it's worse than with other shows, because there is this expectation from the fans that the end of the series will play out in a particular way, and most of us are heavily invested in seeing that ending, especially after so many years.

TPTB want another season, and it shows. S9 is definitely not telling us the story of Clark's final transition to becoming the Man of Steel. I'm sure DO thinks that if she cancels Smallville they can just tack on a scene or two in the finale, and then end with Clark ripping open his shirt to reveal the Superman shield and taking to the skies. What choice do I have but to hope for S10?
frelling_tralk From: frelling_tralk Date: January 10th, 2010 09:30 am (UTC) (Link)
Personally I'm not invested in another season as I've already stopped watching *g* But I do think it will be a real shame if they don't give SV the ending it deserves because after 8/9 years it's just so unnecessary to still end it with a rushjob. I feel that SV was the victim of its own ratings success leading to greed and drawing the story out. The first five season were unarguably the show at its best, and I really wish that A&M had followed through on the original five-year plan because it just makes me sad to read interviews from season 5 with them discussing how Jonathon's death will really push Clark forward into becoming Superman, and no more stalling. And now here we are on season 9 :/ I would so much rather have had five really good seasons, rather than all the stalling we did get starting from the second half of season 5, then season 6 with the focus on Ollie, then season 7 with Kara. They ran out of things to do with Clark's journey a long time ago frankly

And then continuing the show after season 7 when even A&M wanted to end it, and MR and KK were gone. SV could have had such a fantastic ending with Clark and Lex heading for their destiny, instead we get cloned Lex in season 8 as an insult to the original character (rise in quality for season 8 my foot). And to be fair there were parts of season 8 I loved, and I was more gripped by the Davis storyline than I'd ever expected to be, but looking at it all objectively I still can't help but think that SV should have ended years ago

If SV does end with some rushed last-minute ending I would view it as an insult to the fans after all the time they have had to wrap it up. If it were up to me I would have wrapped the series up properly once MR and KK left. IMO it's really unfair to end every season on a cliffhanger, so even those that wanted to stop watching with Lex would have been given no closure as it ended on Chloe being arrested, although the Clex ending could be viewed as closure of a sort I suppose. Give the fans of the Smallville premise a fair ending, then do the Metropolis spin-off with Clark and Lois, and be honest enough to call it a spin-off instead of draggging out Smallville for nine seasons and leaving loyal fans in the dust.

*deep breath* Sorry for being rather long-winded :P

Edited at 2010-01-10 09:31 am (UTC)
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 10th, 2010 11:53 am (UTC) (Link)
I feel that SV was the victim of its own ratings success leading to greed and drawing the story out.

I think that's true. We've definitely seen stalling along the way, and the story could have been drawn to a satisfying conclusion long before now. But still, I've loved episodes in every season, and I wouldn't have missed the post-AlMiles Clark for anything in the world. I've had my complaints over the years, but I still love the show.

I do think Fake!Lex is one of the worst things Smallville has ever done, and every time we see him I pray it's the last. Without that aberration, I think we had fairly decent closure with Lex, considering they refused to believe MR was leaving until the very last minute, but of course that was thanks to Michael, since he wrote Lex's final line himself.

If SV does end with some rushed last-minute ending I would view it as an insult to the fans after all the time they have had to wrap it up.

I agree that a rushed ending would be an insult to the fans. And given that it's already too late for anything but a rushed ending if they cancel the show now, I have to hope for S10. I know, I'm essentially rewarding their bad behavior, but I can't seem to help myself. I'll grasp at any chance to see this show to do right by my boy, even if it also means giving them another chance to drive me nuts. Besides, I'm not ready to give up the pretty just yet. :)

Please don't apologize for your thoughtful comment! I appreciate you taking the time to share your feelings about the show.
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duskwillow From: duskwillow Date: January 10th, 2010 11:53 am (UTC) (Link)
Is she insane? No, you do not have until MAY,
Dawn
. The season will be all wrapped up by then. They need to write the ending accordingly, depending if we're coming back or not. Why doesn't she GET that? Seriously, how can someone who doesn't even understands how tv shows work and how frustrating it can be for the viewers even be in charge at a tv network? *sigh*
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 10th, 2010 12:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
Is she insane? No, you do not have until MAY, Dawn. The season will be all wrapped up by then.

I know! She makes my head want to explode!

Seriously, how can someone who doesn't even understands how tv shows work and how frustrating it can be for the viewers even be in charge at a tv network?

I am baffled that this woman has managed to keep her job as long as she has. And I don't think she cares one iota about the viewers or what we're feeling. We're all just so many ratings points to her, if she thinks of us at all.
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tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 10th, 2010 02:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have no idea whether to take what she says seriously or not, but I certainly don't trust her. And I suspect TPTB will know the show's fate well before it's officially announced. I don't think DO cares if we're left hanging, wondering about loose ends, or if the show ends with unresolved cliffhangers, but I hope the showrunners have more consideration for the fans. No matter what, though, if Smallville ends this season, and the writers don't know that now, I'm afraid it's already too late to give us the kind of conclusion I'd like to see.

That said, however, I plan to focus on the positive and enjoy the episodes we have left. If we get another season, that will just be icing on the cake.
whimsywinx From: whimsywinx Date: January 10th, 2010 04:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think there's a really good reason raputathebuta calls her the Ostroff Demon.

I hope you get your wish and Clark gets his feet firmly on the Superman path.
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 10th, 2010 06:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't think I knew Rap called her that. LOL! That's awesome!

Thanks for your well wishes. And your icon reminds me, I finished Merlin! Now I'm desperately trying to catch up on Dollhouse before someone tells me what is was that made everyone freak out after watching the most recent episode. :)
homicidalfink From: homicidalfink Date: January 10th, 2010 04:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
The hell? The storyline doesn't determine knowing if it's going to be the last season or not, it's the other way around - you write according to the time constraints. What is she on?

And my vote would be one more year to enjoy Tom onscreen, since he's become my favorite Clark ever.
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 10th, 2010 06:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't think anyone knows what she's on, but whatever it is, it sure makes her say crazy things sometimes. :/

Tom is my favorite Clark by far. I want one more year, too. How can I not?
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tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 10th, 2010 07:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, you're more confident than I am. I don't think they know if S10 is a go yet, and I imagine there will be two versions of the finale until they do. I hope the news comes sooner rather than later, but if it doesn't, they'll be forced to film the season finale version and hope for the best.

I get the same feeling that DO would like to cancel Smallville and Supernatural, and thereby get rid of the last remaining shows that started on the WB. Thank goodness the strength of those shows has made it impossible for her to do so up until now.

I'm really looking forward to Life Unexpected! The clips I've seen totally remind me of the old WB. I miss those shows.
jeannev From: jeannev Date: January 10th, 2010 05:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
I saw red when I read that interview too. I've long said that I thought DO hated SV, and would love to be able to kill it. I think there are other forces at work that have stayed her hand in that area. Well, that, and most of their shows just haven't taken off (Melrose Place, I'm looking at you!).

But the fact that this rotten bitch (and yes, I think she is), doesn't think a show like SV, thats been on 9 years, and has some of the most loyal fans out there, doesn't deserve to have the time, and warning, to set up a proper series finale is just appalling.

Do I want a S10? Well, if you had asked me a few months ago, I would've said no, and I would wish for S9 to tie up the story. But since S9 hasn't been much focused on Clark (and frankly, I don't see that changing), I just don't think there's time to do his story justice in S9, and finish the show.

Yet, here's the rub....I just have NO HOPE AT ALL that S10 would be anymore focused on Clark. I think the problem is twofold here. I think Tom is perfectly content with stepping back, and concentrating his time on BTS stuff, and his production company. I'm happy for him if he's happy, but unhappy for me because it effects my enjoyment of SV. And secondly, I just don't think Souders/Peterson know how to tell the story anymore from Clark's POV, with focus on him. Over the last few days, I've debated long and hard on K-Site about how little POV we have on Clark. How we really have no clue what he's thinking much of the time. How we've had no explanation from him over why he's getting into another relationship without the truth. I'm not really sure how he feels about Chloe, or Oliver, or Tess. He has no true confidantes, and the show doesn't seem concerned with rectifying that.

So, what would a S10 bring? Focus on Clois? I mean, really, that seems to be how they've decided to tell Clark's story now. As half of a couple, with Lois' POV being prominent. Would that change in S10? Only if she knows the truth, I suspect.

So, not to be a bummer, but if the show gets a S10, what are the chances that it would be satisfying for us Clark fans who are more invested in his heroic journey then his lovelife, or the supporting characters?

My preference. A limited S10, no more then 9 eps, ending with a 2 hour finale.
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 11th, 2010 02:14 am (UTC) (Link)
But the fact that this rotten bitch (and yes, I think she is), doesn't think a show like SV, thats been on 9 years, and has some of the most loyal fans out there, doesn't deserve to have the time, and warning, to set up a proper series finale is just appalling.

My sentiments exactly. She makes it quite clear she couldn't care less about the fans, or the story, or the show. It really steams me that she shows so little respect for a show that has gone a long way toward keeping her network afloat over the years.

I just have NO HOPE AT ALL that S10 would be anymore focused on Clark.

And this is what I'm wrestling with right now. I keep telling myself they don't focus more on Clark because they're saving that for the final season, but I'm beginning to think that's just wishful thinking on my part. I am enjoying a lot of S9, including the Clois, but with each new episode I get a little more frustrated. I feel like I'm reaching for something I can never quite grasp, and every episode leaves me a little disappointed. I love the Clark I see onscreen, but as you say, there's so much more I want to know about him, to hear from him. Where is his voice?

How we really have no clue what he's thinking much of the time. How we've had no explanation from him over why he's getting into another relationship without the truth. I'm not really sure how he feels about Chloe, or Oliver, or Tess. He has no true confidantes, and the show doesn't seem concerned with rectifying that.

Yes, yes, yes! This is what is missing from the show. What is Clark thinking and feeling? All too often, it's a complete mystery. I know you don't like Oliver, but I loved the scenes in Kandor where Clark talked to him; it was a rare treat. I think you know I've always wished Clark and Oliver could become true brothers in arms, fighting the good fight side by side. But with Oliver's questionable moral code, and his growing alliance with Chloe, I don't know if that's possible.

I have to say again, Martha's absence has left a big void in Clark's life.

My preference. A limited S10, no more then 9 eps, ending with a 2 hour finale.

That's an intriguing idea. It would certainly force them to lose the filler and focus on the story they need to finish before the final curtain falls.
tasabian From: tasabian Date: January 10th, 2010 07:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yikes. They really should have made a decision about S10 by now. This means we'll either get a rushed & incoherent season finale or a rushed & incoherent series finale :(

I hate Dawn's tone. Very evident she's waiting to see if a better prospect comes along to bump SV. I also hate the condescension of bumping SV to the worst TV night of the week, then offering faint praise for its fallen numbers. If she really respected SV, the show would have been allowed to keep its timeslot & pull decent numbers. (Vamp Diaries could have bumped OTH instead, and thrived.)

I'd rather have a movie or a mini-series than a S10. Having a finite amount of time might tighten the writing. IMO, S9 has had a LOT of vagueness and character waffling, especially around Chloe, Tess and Zod.

After all these seasons, what I want more than anything else is a satisfying conclusion to Clark's story, an arc (not an episode or two at the end) that focuses on Clark and his journey, from Clark's POV, and that shows us how and why he chooses to become Superman.
IMO, that's the biggest problem with the show right now - we're rarely given the opportunity to see through Clark's eyes any more. I miss that so much. But I don't have the faith that we'll ever get that aspect of the show back. The shift away from Clark POV began with DeKnight, I think, and has been on the increase ever since.
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 11th, 2010 03:43 am (UTC) (Link)
I hate Dawn's tone. Very evident she's waiting to see if a better prospect comes along to bump SV. I also hate the condescension of bumping SV to the worst TV night of the week, then offering faint praise for its fallen numbers.

I really think her treatment of the show has been disgraceful from the start. If I'm being honest, part of the reason I'm hoping for a S10 is because I'm convinced she doesn't want it. It's childish of me, but it's true.

Vamp Diaries could have bumped OTH instead, and thrived.

I agree! And moving Smallville has hurt Supernatural's overall numbers as well, but all DO can do is crow about the increase in the young women demo provided by TVD's lead-in.

I'd rather have a movie or a mini-series than a S10. Having a finite amount of time might tighten the writing.

That's true, it would force them to focus on Clark. But selfishly, I want more of Tom than that. I still think it might be my last chance.

IMO, that's the biggest problem with the show right now - we're rarely given the opportunity to see through Clark's eyes any more. I miss that so much. But I don't have the faith that we'll ever get that aspect of the show back.

I'm not even sure these writers can write from Clark's POV, but I keep hoping they'll surprise me. I'm very curious to see if Clark fares any better in Goeff Johns' script.
burningqueen From: burningqueen Date: January 10th, 2010 08:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm of two minds here, but I think I mostly agree with many of the sentiments above. First of all I should point out that as long as they make SV episodes I will watch them, even if I'm kicking and screaming the entire way (see: the second half of S8 when I literally went out and found another fandom where I could actually squee). And there's been more kicking and screaming than squeeing going on over the last year or so, so I would really like to see it end, because dragging it out is doing the show itself and the show's reputation way more harm than good. ON THE OTHER HAND, if this show doesn't get epic series finale that it deserves and which is literally written into the show's concept I will me extremely angry. And the way Dawn's talking is not making me feel good about this.
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: January 11th, 2010 03:56 am (UTC) (Link)
S8 was a tough one for me. I loved the first half (I was positively giddy over the new Clark), hated the Lana arc, and had a lot of problems with the back half. But my problems weren't with Clark, and they aren't now, either. And that's enough to keep me coming back for more. I want to give them one more chance to get it right. And if S10 happens, I may end up disappointed, but at least I'll have another year of the pretty along the way. *is shallow*

Nothing about the way DO talks ever makes me feel good about anything. :(
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