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Interview with Darren Swimmer
Darren Swimmer gave an interview HERE about Smallville's S8. It's spoilery, so don't click if you don't want to know! A few things in particular caught my eye.

Newsarama: On the other hand, season eight brings back Justin Hartley as Oliver Queen (a.k.a. Green Arrow). It’s been reported we’ll get more of Oliver’s history – how will that focus fold into the storyline of season eight?

Darren Swimmer: As fans of the comics know, Oliver Queen had some rough times in his earlier life. This season we’ll get a glimpse of how some of those experiences are coming back to haunt him.

NRAMA: With Tom Welling working on other projects too will Oliver serve as a character that can fill the times when Clark won’t be available or will they work in tandem mostly?

DS: As far as Tom’s schedule is concerned, Tom will appear in all 22 episodes. We do plan on having Clark and Oliver team up more this year than we’ve seen in past seasons.


Me: Buh? Tom is working on other projects? Since when?

NRAMA: With Michael are you pacing yourself on calling on him to reappear for the true end of the series?

DS: It’s too early to presume that season eight will be the last, so it would be premature to make any kind of a call.


Me: WHAT?!! Are you kidding me?! S8 is the last. There is no way in hell TW is signing up for another season, even if a) the CW keeps its head above water and b) wants to renew Smallville for an inconceivable NINTH season. What is DS smoking?

The worst part is, if they don't acknowledge that this is the final season, doesn't that mean just more of the same stalling for Clark? *headdesk* Show, sometimes you just kill me.

And good luck with "calling on" Michael. They make it sound like he's just waiting in the wings, ready to jump on set for one last appearance, whenever it's needed the most. I know it's the interviewer saying that, not DS, but it annoys me all the same.

NRAMA: Let’s shift then to the new season Big Bad – Davis “Doomsday” Bloome played by Sam Witwer. He’s such an important villain in the comics (Superman’s killer) but was he an easy choice to bring into Smallville?

DS: Part of what excited the four of us to bring Doomsday into the show was the fact that he has no previously established Earthly alter ego in the comics. Davis Bloome will be very different from the Doomsday we’ve seen in the comics. Especially at first. We thought it would be interesting to see the human side of a character that had very little humanity in the comics. Sam Witwer is tremendously talented, and we’re all really thrilled to begin working with him.

NRAMA: How’s he going to mess up Clark’s life this year?

DS: Doomsday did kill Superman in the comics, so Clark better be on his toes.


Me: So they're really going to go there. I'm so afraid we're going to see Clark die and Chloe save him with her meteor power, only to die in the process herself, presumably at the end of the season/series. I hope I'm wrong, but I can just see it.

NRAMA: So in parting what’s got you most excited about season eight?

DS: Having some great new cast members in Cassidy Freeman and Sam Witwer, as well as having the opportunity of working with Oliver Queen and Green Arrow more frequently, is exciting. But probably what’s most exciting is moving Clark one step towards fully embracing his identity as a superhero. Being in Metropolis a lot more will keep things fresh, and having Lois and Clark shoulder to shoulder at the Planet will no doubt lead to some interesting new dynamics.


Me: Okay, I'm ecstatic that he said the most exciting thing is moving Clark closer to his destiny!! How that plays out is a different matter altogether. *is jaded* But I'm determined to remain hopeful!

So, my fellow Clark lovers (or anyone else who has an opinion), what did you think of this interview?

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simplytoopretty From: simplytoopretty Date: July 14th, 2008 11:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
My main fear for Clark is that the show is going to rush him towards his "destiny", especially with this being the last season. Well, the last season in the fans' minds anyways. As much as I do want Clark to embrace his destiny, I don't want it to happen overnight because that doesn't seem realistic. And from where the show left off, Clark was nowhere near ready or willing to embrace that destiny. I guess it'll depend on how the show does it. *is jaded too*

As for Oliver and Doomsday, well, I'm not a comic book person. I've never read any of the comics so my interest in these characters is fairly minimal. I'd much rather see the show focus on developing Clark and Chloe and Lois.
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: July 14th, 2008 11:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
I share your fears, especially if they don't admit to themselves that this is the final season until halfway through, and then it will be even more rushed! I don't trust these writers to do anything well.

The whole Doomsday thing doesn't get me excited. I don't want to see Clark die, and if that's the reason they're bringing him on the show, where it's only to reach some pre-determined end point (dead Clark), the character development is going to suck. And having Chloe date him just seems like Lana/Adam and Lana/Jason all over again. Wouldn't the Chloe we know see right through someone like that?

I'll admit I adore JH and Oliver, so I'm looking forward to his return. As long as he doesn't overshadow Clark, I think he could be a great addition to the show. But based on S6, I'll also admit that's a big if.
simplytoopretty From: simplytoopretty Date: July 15th, 2008 12:20 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't want to see Clark die, and if that's the reason they're bringing him on the show, where it's only to reach some pre-determined end point (dead Clark), the character development is going to suck.

I think by bringing on a character like Doomsday, who is the worst of the worst (or so I've been told), then the endgame seems like it must be to have a showdown and see Clark, well, die. If Superman couldn't defeat Doomsday then I doubt the Clark in a year will be able to.

I really can't see Chloe dating Doomsday, although there's going to be that triangle apparently. Which I hate since I can't stand Jimmy (um, his 'my girl' comments made me dislike him way back in season 6) and Doomsday is the person who kills Superman and that just seems wrong to have Clark's BFF be attracted to/date his future killer.

It just feels like they're adding another 3 main characters when they could have focused on more character-driven plots related to the current main cast members instead of having all these peripheral plots that just take up time. Kara didn't work, why will these 3 characters work?
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: July 15th, 2008 01:24 am (UTC) (Link)
They do have this awful tendency to depend on shiny new toys instead of making sure the writing is strong. For me, good television is always in the writing. I'm afraid in Smallville's case, I watch for (some of) the acting, and the pretty, but the writing? Not so much.
stoodupforlove From: stoodupforlove Date: July 15th, 2008 02:13 am (UTC) (Link)
It just feels like they're adding another 3 main characters when they could have focused on more character-driven plots related to the current main cast members instead of having all these peripheral plots that just take up time.

That's exactly my problem with it. They did the same thing in season 4 when they added Jason and Lois (though I loved both characters), and again with Kara, who I couldn't stand. I sort of understand the reason for bringing in Kara, and I do understand Lois being there, but why can't they just focus more on what's already good about the show? Why keep adding characters that just take away from the ones we want to see? *sigh*
stoodupforlove From: stoodupforlove Date: July 15th, 2008 02:08 am (UTC) (Link)
I'll admit I adore JH and Oliver, so I'm looking forward to his return. As long as he doesn't overshadow Clark, I think he could be a great addition to the show.

YES! Yes yes yes, exactly! I loved Oliver, Justin is really cute and I enjoyed his character (both of them, really), but I don't want him to get more screentime than Tom. What was with that episode that centered on Jimmy and Chloe anyway? Where was Clark, man? lol
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: July 15th, 2008 03:25 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm hopeful that we'll see Clark and Oliver together, rather than Oliver at the expense of Clark. I'd like to see Clark have conversations with Oliver about his desire to help others, or his struggles with how to balance his life as a hero with his desire for privacy and keeping those he loves safe. So we can see how he arrives at the decision to have a dual identity, like Oliver already does.

I've always felt that Oliver, with his "the end justifies the means" philosophy, could provide the perfect impetus for Clark to want to give the world a different kind of hero, one with a more absolute sense of right and wrong, an unassailable moral code. I see Oliver as a clear contrast to Clark. He's a good man, fighting the good fight, but he's only human, man to Clark's Superman. I think that has definite possibilities.

Ack, don't get me started on Sleeper! I wrote an entire post about what was wrong with that episode! LOL! But the short answer is that Tom was preparing to direct Apocalypse, and I don't begrudge him that. :)
stoodupforlove From: stoodupforlove Date: July 16th, 2008 12:05 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, so that's why the episode was so lacking in Clark-time! That makes perfect sense, actually. It aired during the time I was without Internet (I went a whole year without it--almost went insane!), so I had no idea Tom was going to direct another episode.

Your point about Oliver is a damn good one that I hadn't even considered. I've always appreciated that Oliver speaks the truth to Clark regarding his abilities and his responsibilities to humanity. It's the harsh truth but Clark needs to hear it. I hope you're right about Clark and Ollie working together more; I can do without Aquaman and the Cyber guy (I forget his name at the moment). If the writers are smart, they will use Oliver as the catalyst for Clark's decisions to embrace his role as savior of Earth.
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: July 16th, 2008 12:34 am (UTC) (Link)
To be completely fair to Clark, I don't think Oliver understands all the complexities of Clark's life, and therefore tends to oversimplify things when he judges him. At the same time, however, when Oliver berates Clark for staying on the farm while a world in need waits right outside his door, part of me wants to stand up and cheer. I agree that Clark needs to hear it. At the very least, maybe it will get him to start thinking about exactly what he wants his future to be.

The Cyber guy is Victor Stone. :) Although I still think of him as the Famous Jett Jackson from the Disney Channel. LOL!
jeannev From: jeannev Date: July 15th, 2008 12:46 am (UTC) (Link)
I thought it was an OK interview. I definitely prefer the way DS comes across to how ass-monkey Gough used to give interviews. Swimmer comes across as all business, he addresses the questions pretty well, and he doesn't say stupid things to piss people off.

But what does this interview mean for Clark? Well, I really don't know. It worries me that they aren't definitively approaching this season as the last. Or, maybe they are, and they have to keep playing along with the CW because the last thing the network needs is advertisers knowing their top-rated scripted series is over after this year? OK, maybe I'm reaching...

It does sound like they are going with the more Clark/Lois teaming up, and I thought the Clark/Oliver teaming up thing sounded OK. Even though I still believe Oliver as a regular is a mistake. I liked that he mentioned things he was excited about, but then said what is most exciting...Clark. Thank you Darren, thank you!!

I do think they are going for a Clark/Doomsday showdown, but I hope Clark doesn't get killed, and I hope Chloe doesn't resurrect him. There is no way that a story like that wouldn't suck with the power of a million Dysons. Besides, Clark has died on the show before...at least twice. Do we need to see it again?

So, when he said that Tess would be interested in Clark, but in a different way then Lex, was I the only one that thought "Oh, so she doesn't want to fuck him???" Hee!

I actually think Slavkin/Swimmer are the show's only hopes, because Souders/Peterson are made of ass. This interview keeps that hope alive for me.
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: July 15th, 2008 01:49 am (UTC) (Link)
I agree that DS is a million times better in an interview than Al ever was. None of those stupid teasing non-answers, or the self-congratulatory remarks. He answers the question put to him in a fairly straightforward manner, and I appreciate that.

I was beyond excited to read that Clark's development is what he finds most exciting about S8!! OMGYAY! That really raises my hopes.

So, when he said that Tess would be interested in Clark, but in a different way then Lex, was I the only one that thought "Oh, so she doesn't want to fuck him???"

I swear to God, I included that part and then typed, "Does that mean she doesn't want to get in his pants?" LOL! I deleted it because I felt like I was already including almost the entire interview, and decided to stick to the parts that were more just about Clark. :)

And you do think that if Tom had other projects we would have heard about it, don't you? It sounded to me like DS didn't know what the interviewer was talking about either.
jeannev From: jeannev Date: July 15th, 2008 01:58 am (UTC) (Link)
Gough was just such an enormous asshole, that every interview he gave made you want to throttle him with a tire iron. Such a contemptuous toad.

I don't know what the interviewer was talking about in regards to Tom, but I wonder if she was fishing, or maybe trying to make a point that bringing in another hero as a regular on Clark's show sort of makes one question if they are turning Clark from star to co-star. At least I know I wonder, and have for a few seasons now.
laurelnola From: laurelnola Date: July 15th, 2008 12:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
"There is no way that a story like that wouldn't suck with the power of a million Dysons."

*snerk* You know, now that I finally wrapped up my SV fic-career, I swore to myself that I would stay out of SV for the sake of my sanity, but I still can't resist lurking at the train wreck now and again. And you never fail to reward me for it with your descriptions. You always manage to sum up the state of affairs in the most delicious way, hon. "suck with the power of a million Dysons". *hee hee*
stoodupforlove From: stoodupforlove Date: July 15th, 2008 02:02 am (UTC) (Link)
Buh? Tom is working on other projects? Since when?

My exact thoughts when I read that. Since when? *runs over to IMDB*

So, my fellow Clark lovers (or anyone else who has an opinion), what did you think of this interview?

This interview disturbs me. I went into it very optimistic, thinking, "Hey, maybe the show will be better without the Kristin-lovers involved." Then I read this interview. I know it's routine for the producers to talk up the "new" talent each season, talk about how excited they are to work with the newbies. I get that. But where's the talk about CLARK? There's some, yes. And even less about Lois. I was under the impression that season 8 was going to center around Clark, Lois, and Jimmy more than the rest, because that is Clark's future. I don't understand why they're focusing so much on this new bitch (sorry, that's what she is in my mind) and Ollie and Doomsday. Isn't the show about Clark? ISN'T it? I'm sorry to see Michael go, but I understand his reasons. Same with Kristin, though I'm not as sorry to see her go. Good riddance, says me. So now it's time for Clark to DO more, he's finally free from the pull of Lana, and yet he's being led around STILL, just reacting to events around him. When is Clark going to step up and be the man we know he is going to be? When are the writers going to start treating him like a superhero-in-the-making rather than a lost puppy dog following his friends around and saving them over and over again?

*sigh* I don't know. I love my show, it's been my show from the start and it always will be as long as Tom's on it. But the idea of another season, especially a 9th, really bothers me. I guess I'll just keep watching Tom and smiling, and not worrying about what he's saying or doing. God knows he's beautiful enough to keep me watching even if he's just sitting there.

tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: July 15th, 2008 02:55 am (UTC) (Link)
I really don't know what to think. I never know if they talk about the new characters because they're enamored with their shiny new toys, or because they just assume everyone knows Clark's story, and they think there isn't anything left to say about him. Neither attitude makes me happy. Reading the interview a second time, though, I give DS credit for bringing Clark into the conversation quite a bit. Also, the interviewer doesn't ask much about Clark, and the answers reflect that.

I don't care for Kelly Souders and Brian Peterson. They've written some great episodes, but they also wrote Promise, and they said some things in the S6 Companion that made my blood boil. They seem to love Lana, and blame Clark for everything. Darren Swimmer and Todd Slavkin, on the other hand, seem to actually like Clark as a character, and TS directed Persona and Arctic, both of which I really liked. So I just don't know what to expect from the four of them together as show runners.

There is no possibility of a ninth season. Seriously. I can't imagine why he said that. And if they're writing the show with that in mind, I'm afraid we're doomed. But I'm with you. If Tom's in, I'm in, it's just that simple. :) Usually I try not to get caught up in the speculation, and just wait and see what happens, but when TPTB give an interview, I pay attention. If they don't know what they're talking about with the show, then who does?

No matter what happens on the show this season, you can always come hang out here after each episode, and we'll talk about how wonderful Tom was that week! :D

Edited at 2008-07-15 06:38 pm (UTC)
tasabian From: tasabian Date: July 15th, 2008 02:28 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't know quite what to make of that....but gosh, I hope they don't try for a ninth season. Poor Tom must be ready to move on. And if Michael doesn't want to shave his head now, is he likely to be more amendable in a year and a half? Surely not.
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: July 15th, 2008 03:09 am (UTC) (Link)
There is just no way that Tom would stay on this show one minute longer than he has to, of that I'm certain. Well, as certain as someone can be who has never met the man nor heard him utter a single word on the subject. LOL! But honestly, can you even imagine it? A ninth season is beyond ludicrous. And Michael seems quite resolute in his decision not to return, wouldn't you say? TPTB seem somewhat delusional about a number of things, IMO.
starry_dawn From: starry_dawn Date: July 15th, 2008 02:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
Colour me afraid. I'm just so scared they're going to screw this season up and that will be the lasting impression I'll have left of the show. I really, really want it to end on a good note, but the more I'm reading, the more I'm convinced I'm going to end up disappointed. I really hope I'm wrong.

And a ninth season? Jesus. Smallville is probably the only show I watch (and love) that has me clamouring for it to end before they can mess it up even more. Sheesh.
starry_dawn From: starry_dawn Date: July 15th, 2008 02:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
Also, I just read this:

"Chloe will have some very big storylines this year, and if you thought it was hard to be Chloe Sullivan, this year will be no exception."

Sigh. More Chloe-kicking. Can't we let anyone on this damn show be happy?!

tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: July 15th, 2008 06:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
I really couldn't believe that answer. He actually admitted that "it sucks to be Chloe" is one of the themes for S8! Sheesh.
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: July 15th, 2008 06:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, I don't think things sound so bad. More of the same, maybe, but not worse. And the potential for something pretty good is there, I think. I really think TW and JH together are going to be awesome, and AM will make any Chloe storyline rock. I mean, as much as Sleeper drove me crazy, I still loved AM's performance in it. Although I do hate the Chimmy. *sighs*

Ninth season? Surely that was the crack talking. *nods* :)
starry_dawn From: starry_dawn Date: July 15th, 2008 10:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
See, Chimmy is one of the BIG reasons why I'm dreading the next season. With all this talk of her accepting Jimmy's proposal (which ... *blech*), I can't imagine what they're going to do with those two by the time the show ends. I really, really don't want to see them end the show with Chimmy together. As long as she's not with him, my imagination can make up for the rest.

It does sound like more of the same for the rest of the gang, but I don't think I can watch Clark stall any more. They need to get him moving. They've said they're going to do that in the interview, but then again, don't they always say that before every season? :/
tariel22 From: tariel22 Date: July 15th, 2008 11:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
What I can't figure out is, where are the Chimmy fans? They must believe they're out there, to perpetuate this relationship, but I can't think of a single post I've ever read by someone who likes seeing these two together. Granted, I pretty much only read LJ and TWoP, but still. And I even love AA and Jimmy!

I'm willing to not fret about Clark just yet. I'm pretty optimistic, and so far I'm content to just wait and see what happens. But I'm totally giving up on that crazy no-spoiler idea I had! LOL!
starry_dawn From: starry_dawn Date: July 16th, 2008 01:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
Sometimes I wonder if TPTB even care about the fans. I mean, I know there's a big bunch of Clana fans out there, but there are SO MANY MORE of us clamouring for it to end that it strikes me as completely weird that they haven't listened to the majority by now. I really do think they don't give a rat's ass as long as they themselves are pleased with the way things are going. And since Chimmy seems to be going the way of Clana, I fear another never-ending, painful relationship for these two. :/

Hee, so much for going spoiler-free, eh? As soon as I saw that you'd gone off the bandwagon, my resolve slipped too! :P BUT! I'm not reading the small, tiny, episode spoilers like I used to do for the previous reasons, so at least I'm still not completely spoiled. ;)

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